On autism and vaccinations

My entire extended family reminds me to watch Oprah every time the “autism special” episode is replayed, which seems to be about once every 2 weeks or so.

I don’t watch Oprah, but I did tune into this episode yesterday, thanks to the wonders of time-shifting digital TV.

What a load of shyte. Complete and utter mindless hogwash. Some hottie gets up to talk with O, claiming that “when little Billy got his vaccination, I could SEE it suck the soul out of his eyes! HIS SOUL!” (or something similar).

She’s claiming that the vaccinations, which every child in North America receives, caused her son to “turn autistic”. She just knows, because she’s a mother. Billy got the regular vaccinations, and all of a sudden he’s autistic. There’s a connection! Vaccinations caused it! She warned the evil vaccination doctors, but they didn’t listen to her because they were evil and mean and made her feel stupid. Sorry, hot autism mom, but there just might be a reason you felt like that.

Her other point was that vaccinations shouldn’t be a “one size fits all” thing, because all children are different. Fine. Kids are different. But the vaccine isn’t really about the KIDS, it’s about the bacteria and virii, and they are pretty much the same, no matter what your kid is like.

Timing of vaccinations very well MIGHT be correlated with the onset of symptoms of autism. At about 6/12/18/24 months, the symptoms become more noticeable. But, it is just as valid to say that onset of autism is positively correlated with interest in The Teletubbies, or Dora the Explorer or Thomas the Tank Engine. Or with switching from 15-pound diapers to 20-pound diapers. Or with  cessation of breastfeeding or formula in bottles. Maybe it’s the mashed peas that’s causing it!

Correlation does not equal causation. This needs to be taught to every person, starting in kindergarten, and repeated every single year through their post-doc program.

Evan has had all of his vaccinations. Do I think that has something to do with the autism? I don’t know. I don’t THINK it does – but I don’t have any data, so can’t say any way. Am I about to go on Oprah’s show to talk about something like this, when I have no information? Not likely. (But, Oprah, if you feel like bringing the family out to The Magnificent Golden Mile for a couple of days so we can talk, that’d be ok too).

I’m not saying that vaccinations can’t affect the onset of autism. I don’t have any data on that. I do know that the prevalence of autism is skyrocketing, from 1 in 2000 a decade or two ago, to about 1 in 150 currently. Obviously, something is going on.

But, it could JUST as easily be exposure to plastics, or offgassing electronic equipment, or changes in the frequency of specific genes in the population, or lead paints in Chinese-manufactured toys, or some other factor than something wrong with vaccinations.

Update: April 7, 2009 – I’m closing comments on this post because the mindless drivel of the antivaccinationist “poet” got too tiresome. It’s just not funny anymore.

86 Replies to “On autism and vaccinations”

  1. Great post! I participate in several online mommy networks and this is a frequent discussion. I think it’s likely autism is caused by numerous factors, which may include things like prenatal ultrasound, prenatal vitamins, prenatal McDonald’s, Teletubbies, off-gassing chemicals in car seats, etc.. You are right on with this post!

  2. The level of scientific illiteracy among “us common sense, normal folk” is simply astounding. Ellie’s coming up to her third round of shots, and does anyone think for a millisecond that she’s not getting them? Mind you, I don’t much like the idea o thimerosal, but up here at least, it’s only the Hep vaccines that have that. We’ll decide on that before we head out to the third world.

    You see the video of that gal on “The View” who thought the Earth was flat? Funny shit.

  3. I’m glad to see you dispelling some of the myths about the autism-vaccination theory. I have a couple of thoughts to pitch in – nothing substantiated, just stuff I’m pulling out of my lower GI tract.

    First thought – even if there is a connection, I’d still go with the vaccination. If you think of chicken pox as an example, the probability of kids contracting something like chicken pox is fairly high if they are ever around groups of other kids such as in a daycare or school. Although most of the symptoms are mild, chicken pox can have some severe and even fatal consequences, especially if someone contracts it as an adult. So even if (note the if, people – personally I believe the connection is a bunch of hooey) vaccinations do cause problems in some cases, the benefit of receiving the vaccine outweighs the risk.

    Second, I wonder if the increase in incidence of autism (D’Arcy, are you including autism spectrum conditions like Asperger’s syndrome?) might be due to physicians being more aware of it and therefore giving more diagnoses for autism spectrum disorders. We had kids with Asperger’s when I was in school but we just thought they were weird, not that they had a medical condition.

  4. @Jen: Thanks. Another one is the “kids who leave the light on at night end up needing eyeglasses” – so, instead of thinking that MAYBE the kid has poor vision, and that’s why they want the light, some parents turn off the light so the kid’s vision doesn’t get worse. But that doesn’t work out too well…

    @Teddy: The risk of meningitis or pox far outweighs any risk (real or otherwise). Until I see some pretty hard data to the contrary.

    @Rob: I think much of the increase IS due to increased awareness. A decade or two ago, some of the “lesser” autism spectrum disorders (like Aspergers’ and PDD-NOS) may have been undiagnosed, and the kids labeled as simply being difficult or with some other learning disability. A kid with PDD-NOS looks exactly the same as any other kid, and for the most part, behaves essentially the same – if you weren’t aware of the condition, you might never know. So, yeah… Increased awareness in the medical field has definitely increased the official prevalence. But awareness alone can’t explain the orders-of-magnitude increase.

  5. I think the autism-vaccination hysteria highlights two things in society:

    i) It’s always someone’s fault. Things don’t just happen because of statistical variance, we have to blame someone.
    ii) The correlation = causality mistake you point out. This one really bugs me – politicians in particular like this one, they will pounce on any piece of correlation and then produce policy based on the idea that they have found the root cause. So, for example, in the UK they said that licensing laws on the continent are more relaxed (bars can stay open later) and they have less of a binge drinking culture, therefore if we extend licensing laws we will get rid of our binge culture. I’m all for relaxed licensing laws, but they are not the _reason_ for a different attitude towards alcohol on continental Europe (in fact they are probably a product of it). I’m with you – teach everyone that correlation does not equal causation!
    Phew, rant over.
    Good post BTW.

  6. D’Arcy, the thing that sort of bothers me about these stories is that they actually divert awareness and empathy about autism towards a “blame game” that does nothing towards helping those of us dealing with the reality in our family lives. You know what – dealing with managing an affected family member is nothing compared to dealing with the ignorance of those who equate the A word with a contagious disease. Oprah’s shows of this nature do nothing towards wider understanding and tolerance for people on the spectrum.

  7. @Graham: absolutely agree. Autism is so misunderstood by (seemingly) almost everyone. It’s not contagious. It’s not a result of “bad parenting” or “lack of discipline” (I’ve actually heard both of those!) Take epilepsy. 30 years ago, there was a pretty strong stigma against epileptics. There was something wrong, it’s contagious, stick-a-wallet-in-their-mouth, etc… But, over the years, awareness and information helped lessen the stigma. For some reason, that hasn’t happened (yet) with other disorders, including autism, Down syndrome, and a long list of others.

  8. A much more coherent response to the Oprah episode was just posted on ScienceBlogs. Excellent. Oh, and apparently I need to subscribe to Playboy or something so I would recognize that “hot autism mom” is actually Jenny McCarthy. Who apparently gets lots of attention because she’s “hot autism mom”.

  9. To play amateur psychologist for a moment, I think maybe what’s so appealing about Jenny McCarthy is that she has qualities a lot of moms would like to have (two of them front and center), and puts out (ha!) a message of “I’m just like you, we’re all in this together, we’re right and all those smartypants are wrong.” I can see a lot of run-down autism moms liking to hear that. So the more criticism she gets for spouting woo, the more those moms are likely to cheer her on. Depressing, really.

  10. @isles: good point. This is the same audience that dutifully snapped up copies of “The Secret” and chant its mantra of “if you just wish HARD enough, everything will come to you”. It’s not about rational thought, or objectivity, or anything tied to reality. It’s about making people feel better about themselves. Which is great, but please don’t wrap yourself in that flag and spout a load of crap just because someone gives you a stage. On one level, this is almost akin to psychological abuse – taking advantage of the most vulnerable (for whatever reason) to promote your agenda. Oh, wait, that’s how the world works now…

  11. I applaud the statement, “Correlation does not equal causation.” One of my sons was diagnosed with Asthma at 18 months (not long after his vaccination), does this mean the vaccinations caused it? Of course not!

    The sad thing is there is a bunch of kids growing up who have a very real chance of contacting some nasty illnesses because their parents have believed that a correlation does equal a causation. Our oldest son had para pertussis (a mild form of whooping cough that those who have been vaccinated against pertussis can get) when he was two and it was nasty and lasted a long time – I wouldn’t want to see what that bacteria could do if the immune system wasn’t primed by a vaccination.

  12. whoa, boy… justa sec. It just occurred to me that we’re talking about the Jenny McCarthy. I will not sit here and let the masses lay onto her without comment. I mean consider her biography:

    * Playboy’s Playmate Review Vol. 10 May 1994 – front & back covers, pages 82-91.
    * Playboy’s Girls of Summer ’94 June 1994.
    * Playboy’s Book of Lingerie Vol. 38 July 1994.
    * Playboy’s Playmates at Play July 1994 – pages 6-7.
    * Playboy’s Book of Lingerie Vol. 39 September 1994 – page 25.
    * Playboy’s Wet & Wild Playmates September 1994 – page 73.
    * Playboy’s Book of Lingerie Vol. 40 November 1994.
    * Playboy’s Nudes November 1994 – cover.
    * Playboy’s Playmates in Bed Vol. 1 January 1995.
    * Playboy’s Supermodels February 1995.
    * Playboy’s Book of Lingerie Vol. 44 July 1995 – cover.
    * Playboy’s Nudes October 1995.
    * Playboy’s Winter Girls February 1996.
    * Playboy’s Celebrating Centerfolds Vol. 1 December 1998 – pages 6-7.

    Anyone who had anything to say against Jenny or Indigos or crystal children will get bitch slapped by me!

  13. @Carolyn: exactly. Even if vaccines DID somehow cause or trigger autism, it would still be worth the risk. meningitis and the like are a bit worse for a kid than autism.

    @Teddy: wow, did I ever screw up! I completely overlooked Dr. McCarthy’s long and illustrious career publishing high quality medical research. She’s been contributing to the field for over a decade, and here I am busting her chops for it. Mea culpa. Maybe she and Pamela Anderson can write up a grant proposal to the NSF?

  14. I think this article is BS. Vaccinations contain themirosal which contains mercury which anybody with half a brain would know has been proven to cause neurological damage. Some children have even died from this and you will deny it? The same place that some of the children recieved there vaccination, the area was soon necratising and infected. Don’t you find that suspicious at all? The study done with themirosal proved that it had a reaction to the testosterone in our bodies causing the ends of the childrens nerves to withere away and die. For example the MMR which contained the themirosal preservative, resulted in regressed autism and developmental disorders to many children when there nerves were withered away helplessly by somthing more evil than Hitler. I dunno about you but the rest of us normal humans have atleast a small amount of testosterone in our bodies, even as women. What about the children that are born with higher amounts of testosterone? They are more suseptable to the themirosal. As a sister of a child who was affected this way I watched with my own eyes as my brother strangely changed the day he recived his vaccinations. He slept for a whole day not moving once and the area of the shot site soon became swollen and infected. Do some homework before you decide on what you believe in.

  15. Chelsea, all I’m saying is show me the studies. Hysterics and general vague scariness isn’t science. Show me the studies, the data, and I’ll be completely on board. Uncited heresay is meaningless and harmful. Untested theories are even worse. If the studies have been done, and the data collected, please provide links so I can see for myself.

  16. Chelsea,

    You are wrong. Dead and unequivocally wrong. Please do your research before spouting. Childhood vaccines in Canada do not contain themirosal. The only possible exception is one of the Hep vaccines (not the twinrix), but that isn’t given to children.

    You may watch anything with your own eyes. But that doesn’t equal evidence. IT is, as we say in science, anecdotal.

    Do some homework indeed. Or perhaps grab yourself a bit of education. You know, the formal kind.

    Best regards!


  17. This is why I don’t like Oprah. It amazes me how powerful ppl can be soo unintelligent because they jump on the bandwagon for Oct/Nov sweeps. She is very annoying and I am rarely affected my celebs. However, I am a medical student and there is nothing more irritating than a Mother quoting “Dr. McCarthy” and her royal highness Winfrey. How far are we going to go to dumb down the public? Oprah is a joke who obviously decided to disregard evidence based medicine that has done soo much to advance life expectation and improve standards of healthcae. Yeah, Oprah, I went to school for a zillion years to listen to a D list ex-center fold washout preach to me about an unfortunate incident and why we should blame a preservative INSTEAD of focusing on the health of patients and researching the best care possible. Educate the public, don’t polarize them.

    THanks for the blog D.

  18. Vaccines carry extreme allergens as ingredients including formaldehyde, latex, and msg in fetal bovine serum. I am surprised so many of you are against getting to the truth. You really think the government knows more about a mothers child than she does? Luckily my children had no problems but I want the truth.

    I read an interesting theory about AIDS and the vaccination debate. Some scientists say AIDS spread rapidly after one million people in Zaire were given a polio vaccine in chimpanzee kidneys. OOPs.

    What mother, once she has a chance to really think about it, would want chimpanzee or cow microbes injected into baby muscle that is connected to a brain.

  19. (Lora Bruncke)…

    You read a theory about some wild AIDS story…so now you are afraid of vaccines? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of.

    Vaccines have probably saved more lives than any single medical breakthrough of all time. Washing hands, clean water, and vaccinations have saved more people than penicillin….

    In medicine, we don’t go on wild theories. There are a lot of things that we don’t know, and there are a lot that we do. If there was serious data showing vaccines cause autism, then kids would not get vaccines.

    You (and many others) need to stop believing everything you see on tv and educate yourself on the situation. Doctors, while not perfect, spen half their lives learning on these issues. Talk to your doctor, and you might be surprised how knowledgable they are on the situation. I can guarantee you this….they will be 100 times more knowledgeable (no exageration) than the reporter you saw on tv scaring you to up ratings.

  20. D’Arcy… sorry in advance for being to impertinent on your own turf.

    Lora: Why do you believe that your motherly instincts trump my fatherly ones? I am trained in science, in how to design, perform, and analyze the results of scientific inquiry. You have to neither trust my findings nor believe in the validity of my findings. But then again, until you pick up a little formal learnin’ – and I’m talking more than Oprah or Dr. Jenny here – you really have no basis for an opinion.

    Yeh, no: motherly instinct doesn’t cut it.

    I’d really (really) like to be gentle with the likes of you, but this is no time for kid gloves. The ignorant masses, yearning for populist “common sense”… well, there’s no bounds to the damage those kinds of people can inflict.

    I for one would definitely put animal tissue in my daughter’s body. I’m thinking of mitral heart valves, just for starters. Or insulin. Time to take off the tin foil.

  21. @Lora: I am absolutely NOT against getting to the truth. All I am trying to do is cut through the rhetorical bullshit to get TO the truth. Show me part of your immediate surroundings that isn’t full of allergens in some form or another. But a vaccine actually helps a body to prepare itself to defend against future infections.

    I am NOT deferring to what “the government” says – I am wanting to see what scientists who are researching in this area are saying. I couldn’t care less what a politician or beaurocrat says about a topic – but I do respect and value the learned opinion of an active researcher.

    “Some scientists say…” What? Show me the article. That’s a pretty impressive claim, but it would have some weight behind it if a citation were provided. I can pull “Some scientists say…” bs out of thin air, too. Some scientists say that vaccines cause genital warts. OMG! I don’t want my son to get genital warts! NO VACCINES! Yeah. Whatever. Oh, and I just made up the thing about genital warts, so don’t bother starting a campaign against vaccinations on that basis.

    You inject “cow microbes” into your body every time you eat a burger. You inject “chicken microbes” every time you eat at KFC. Meaningless.

    And, if you decide not to vaccinate, please spare the rest of us the extra burden of having to pay for your child’s additional medical costs due to chicken pox, measles, meningitis, etc…

  22. @Lora

    I’m going to put on my biology/theory of knowledge teacher hat. I’ll add to D’Arcy’s caution about using “some scientists say …” as the basis of any claim. How many scientists? “Some” could refer to only 2 scientists, while the great majority hold a contrary view. “Some scientists” might not have any expertise in the field in which they offer an opinion. The scientists that offered the correlation between AIDS and a polio vaccine may be particle physicists or entymologists. Their views on AIDS and polio vaccines carry no more force than our own theories.

    I’ll agree with D’Arcy about the need to cite sources and examine the sources that you are using. You read an interesting theory, but where did you read it? Was it an article in the popular press or was it a peer-reviewed science journal. Unless it based on a paper published in such a journal, I wouldn’t give too much credence to any kind of wild speculation, which is all that I think the polio-AIDS hypothesis is.

    Finally, as you state it – AIDS spread rapidly after one million people in Zaire were given a polio vaccine – the connection is purely correlational. AIDS also spread rapidly after I ordered a pizza, but I doubt that there is a connection there. If the correlation involved the same people getting the polio vaccine and then developing AIDS, it might be worth further investigation. As you’ve phrased it, however, it is just an interesting coincidence.

    There’s a psychological phenomenon called closure. When we are shown three lines, for example, that are close together and vaguely resemble a triangle, our minds will see the triangle even though it doesn’t really exist. We tend to connect the dots, as it were, even where the dots aren’t necessarily part of the same pattern of phenomenon. If someone comes along and offers a vague but somewhat plausible explanation for something that we don’t understand, we’ll often accept the explanation at face value. But science is a method for rationally and rigourosly testing those claims so that we aren’t fooled by the patterns we see that don’t really exist.

    OK – I’ll take off the teacher hat now and resume being my usual foolish but lovable self.

  23. Do you have a better theory on how aids became a pandemic? Polio vaccines were given in Zaire in the late 50’s using chimpanzee kidneys. Sound like a good way to start a pandemic to me. Mankind has evolved separate from the chimpanzee and it must have been very stupid people who would think to use chimpanzee microbes on humans.
    Teddy says no way vaccines have thimerosal. Wrong. The HEP B shot lists thimerosal or latex as an ingredient. Thimerosal has been used for years and according to the 2007 Canadian Pharmacists letter, and I quote ‘ thimerosal is an organic mercury compound metabolized to ethylmercury and thiosalicylate. It contains 49.6% mercury by weight. Although much is understood about the neurotoxicity of the organic compound methylmercury, LITTLE IS ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD ABOUT THE NEUROTOXICITY OF ETHYLMERCURY IN HUMANS.
    How many children have suffered from ethylmercury, only our gods knows for sure.
    Do you know that public health nurses do not ask what medication the child is on before giving them a shot? What about drug interactions? Do you trust companies like Merck you are churning out drugs at an increasingly rapid rate, and their death rate is mounting? They have to lobby governments now and we know how the cigarette companies did that for years, even when they knew the truth about the product.
    We have only had vaccinations for the last 70 years and we have been on this planet for millions.
    How can you know for sure vaccines have helped humanity in such a short time? You must be a seer.
    Stats Canada says we are sicker now than we ever were. Google Dr. David Suzuki’s blog to read all about it.

  24. The other thing about this whole issue that rarely gets mentioned is this. Of course many of the most devastating diseases that we now vaccinate against — polio, for example, or smallpox, which we don’t even give shots for because vaccines have eradicated the pathogen from the wild — have basically vanished from people’s consciousness. If you knew someone who had been stricken with polio, as many in our grandparents’ generation did, you would be less cavalier about the concept of vaccinations. The fact that this discussion is even happening is a testament to the historical and epochal effectiveness of vaccination programs in the first place. Most of us are so healthy that we forget how much medicine had to be in place just to get us where we are. As more and more people, on the basis of these vague suspicions, start imagining that there’s a rational trade-off to be made regarding whether or not to vaccinate their children, they become so-called “free-riders” — they can only be healthy if *everyone else* gets their kids vaccinated. If Jenny McCarthy manages to reach enough people to achieve a critical mass, then, bingo, suddenly we’ll have waves of polio and German measles crippling or killing kids again.

  25. The so called child free riders usually have a good reason, ie they may have just about died from the ingredients. And if you are vaccinated and the free rider is not, you don’t have to worry, the free rider does.

    I think it is about time Health Canada published all stats on vaccines. I think mothers have a right to cross off vaccinations as a cause of neurological damage in their children. If it was thimersol, then admit it and move on. Unfortunately, like I said above, it is still used in HEP A, HEP B multidose, Influenza A and B, and menomune mutidose meningococcal.

    If in trying to eradicate known diseases, we create new ones, why is this a good thing? Man and all other creatures including single cell organisms are still evolving. Scientists who study bugs and microbes know that they evolve a lot faster than us.

    MERCK is making vaccines. Google them and let me know if they look trustworthy. They are lobbying our governments, just like tobacco companies were allowed to do, and we all know how that turned out.

    I have no problem with the idea of vaccines. We just need to do more crosschecking when we give them, ie like recording any medication the patient may be on, like pharmacists do now for safety. And no more animal microbes or thimersol and who knows what latex will cause in the future.

    Nathan, please visit Dr. David Suzuki’s blog. He is all about health for mankind and the planet. Stats Canada is saying we are sicker than ever. Governments let big businesses sell you meds for wealth not health.

  26. Has anyone heard about the recent study about how Autism has not touched the community of 35,000 Amish members. Why when the ratio of 1 in 150 is the status. There was one child within this community that had Autism and it was found that the child was adopted from China as a healthy little girl of 15 months and after the vaccinations required she was no longer healthy but developed severe Autism. What is that the Amish are doing that we are ignoring. They are not vaccinating their children. Do we need more research, of course. Just because the drug companies, doctors and government say it is necessary to vaccinate doesn’t make it true. Making intelligent decisions means all the facts are presented and preferrably by an independent company, not special interest organizations.

  27. @Michelene: it’s entirely possible that the Amish community, which is closed and isolated genetically, does not have the genes that predispose individuals to autism. A study simply noting that a community has a lower incidence of a disease does nothing to suggest WHY. There are many causes of autism, but it’s generally accepted that there is a genetic predisposition. Instead of avoiding vaccines because the Amish do, maybe take a look for other plausible causes. Or, wait for follow-up studies to indicate why this is so.

    They are also not feeding their children McDonald’s, nor are they exposing them to plastics or refined sugars. They don’t expose their children to TV, and they are exposed to much fewer petroleum-based products. There are many possible reasons why their incidence rate is lower, not just the lack of vaccinations.

  28. Young babies do not eat McDonalds. A lot of educated mothers who have children with autism know a little more about nutrition than you give them credit.
    The fact of the matter is, it can never be proven. You can only look at all the theories and pick the best one. When it comes to the human body, there are just too many variables.
    Common sense must prevail.

  29. @Lora: common sense is only useful when paired with some basis in reality. If given enough time, I could list hundreds of alternative theories that would explain the prevalence of autism as well as the mercury theory. The point is, without any objective scientific data, they’re all just theories. And acting on any of them is not effective.

    My son, now 5, has autism. He’s been vaccinated. I am not about to blame the autism on the vaccines. There is no causal connection that I have seen any data or research to indicate.

    Picking a random variable, because it sounds scary, and championing it as the primary cause of autism, is doing nothing to actually find if there is a cause. If anything, it is providing a false sense of direction to the field of autism research, who must direct research dollars and expend resources to investigate this single possibility, at the expense of all others (including those that may be more plausible). “Dr.” McCarthy has done a HUGE disservice to those of us dealing with autism.

    I don’t know if mercury is the cause. I haven’t seen ANYTHING to suggest anything more than a positive correlation. But CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION. I just can’t say that enough.

    Please, let common sense prevail. Let’s stop this singular focus on mercury, and get back on track with a thorough and systematic research program. Not one that is directed by the whims of an ex-Playmate who has a book to promote.

  30. This is D’Arcy’s blog, and so he must be (and has been) both polite and professional.

    I don’t need to be.

    Dear konspiracy theorists: please get an education. A formal one, based on philosophy and science. You needn’t go to university, but that does tend act as a can opener for stubborn people who can’t see past witch craftery or hokery pokery. No guarantees. If not formal schooling, and if your little minds can possibly be open to new, and possibly contradictory ideas, then there is hope for you.

    Honestly, there ought to be a test, which, if you fail, you lose the right to debate anything meaningful.

    Learn science. learn that scientific theory is not “the best one picked”, but rather “a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses” (according to the US National Academy of Sciences, and every reputable, peer reviewed, practicing scientist out there).

    Theories are testable, and supported or not.

    I’ll stray from a few and suggest that “common sense” is not sufficient. Common sense is not science, and if often antithetical to the scientific process. Common sense says the world is flat, right? What, it’s not? Then prove it to me. Go ahead, I dare you to try.

    Einstein said that common sense is nothing more than a deposit of prejudices laid down by the mind before your reach eighteen. Lora, if your mind is so closed that you cannot comprehend how the process of science works, and how scientific discovery proceeds, leads me to believe that youy are incapable of intelligent debate.

    And yet, many educated and good hearted people stick with it to try to get you to understand. Perhaps a failed cause…

    1 – you cite no peer reviewed studies to support your claims and concerns.
    2 – you rely on anecdotal data, which is not proof.
    3 – you fail to recognize that just because two “things” happen together that that doesn’t mean that the one causes the other.

    Address each of these points (or attempt to earnestly) and you might be treated with a bit more respect.

    And remember: the greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.


  31. Sorry to all I may have offended as that is not my intention. Truth is.
    Einstien is also one of my heros. He was a pacifist, had dyslexia, was a brute, but his ideas were out of this world!
    I am doing research.
    You can see from my facts above, thimerosal is very bad and many children got it. I cited the latest pharmacy newsletter. It is still in some vaccines. Why? How many children who got it have autism? Good question to ask. We would have to all go back to the contents of the vaccines and cross check it.
    The polio vaccine theory for aids is being discussed by a huge number of scientists. Go to aidsorigins.com.
    I believe in evolution which means we are still evolving. Mother nature has had us eating animal microbes since our time began. It is only lately we have been experimenting by putting them directly into the muscle of our children.
    Everywhere we look we see single celled creatures evolving into new, improved, sometimes deadlier ones.
    As for the Amish connection, I noticed how it was argued. However, wouldn’t a closed gene pool be regressive and more likely to have problem? The more diversity you have, the more chance you have of being fit. I am a big Suzuki fan.
    I am not for or against vaccines. Both my kids are up to date. I am currently in contact with the provincial and federal governments over Merck and their lobbying. They are using aggressive marketing to get girls to line up for Guardasil.
    When many people rumble, I listen. My mind is not closed.
    Thanks to all who share ideas.

  32. Lora, any presentation that begins with “The tragedies of September 11, 2001 have placed you, our leaders in Congress, on special alert…” is questionable at best. A scientific report doesn’t attempt to play at heartstrings or pull the 9/11 silver bullet. Just the facts, ma’am. Horowitz goes on to expose some conflict of interest (which is rampant in all sectors, not just pharmaceuticals), provide a petition, and spout some opinions. There wasn’t a single piece of scientific or experimental data provided. What scares me most is that the Congress receives information like this on all issues and makes decisions based on it. Scary stuff, indeed.

  33. Lora, you were a funny girl. With this recent posting, your are revealing yourself to be incapable of rational or intelligent thought.

    Horowitz is a crack. Among other things, he believes that:

    • AIDS is a man made virus meant to target blacks, jews and hispanics
    • the SARS outbreak was a case of white collar bioterrorists.
    • DNA is a spiritual energy receiver

    Some of his published books are entitled:

    • Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse
    • Dna: Pirates Of The Sacred Spiral
    • Healing Celebrations: Miraculous Recoveries Through Ancient Scriptures, Natural Medicine & Modern Science
    • Freedom from Desk Job Stress and Computer Strain (Freedom from Series With Cassette)
    • EMERGING VIRUSES – Aids & Ebola – Nature, Accident Or Intentional?
    • Walk on Water – How miracles can be made to happen

    Quite the literary record. They all seem to be self published by Tetrahedron LLC, his own “non profit education corporation”.

    He is a self promoting huckster who seems to like sucking in the ignorant, uneducated, conspiracy theorist, tinfoil hat crowd. Perhaps the best indication of his status in the world is that he gets airtime on FOX.

    Lora, if you think that this fellow passes the smell test, then I’m afraid there’s no hope for you. You are not merely misguided, but stupid.

    D’Arcy, I do believe we’re being trolled for comedic effect here.

  34. Can’t resist sharing my poem regarding vaccines.
    The Source of the River

    Inspired by The River
    by Mr. Edward Hooper

    Many years of righteous research and wondrous words!

    The river of tears from Africa, must be followed to its source.
    Medical knowledge will be gained. Then we can use full force,
    To fight AIDS, which started in the Congo. We know man is ambitious.
    Polio had struck his kids, his hero. Here drink the monkey. It is delicious.
    Kids get to test vaccinations. Can such sadness be resolved?
    How could man foresee it! A new killer has evolved!
    The source of the river has got to be explored. It is academic!
    Vaccines in animal parts could have started an avoidable pandemic.
    Ed Hooper took up the quest for truth. After careful thought, I agree.
    If we do not believe such truth is worth striving for, we will cease to be.

    Love Lora Bruncke

  35. A majority of people believe Autism was caused by the Mercury, or Thimersal in vaccinations. This was due to the fact that Autism was first diagnosed about the same time as vaccinations were given.
    There has been a lot of studies an research about vaccines causing a child to become Autistic. So far there has been no evidence to suggest the connection between vaccinating your child and Autism. There could be more risks from not having the vaccinations.

    Some studies have shown children being exposed to high levels of Mercury were more likely to have Autism. This was a fear with the vaccinations, but the majority of shots these days do not contain any mercury or Thimersal. If they do contain Thimersal it is in very trace amounts. High levels of Mercury can be contributed to eating a lot of fish, and industrial emissions. Researchers think there could be a connection to pregnant women being exposed to Mercury and their children having Autism. There are new studies testing pregnant women to see how much Mercury is in their systems and testing the babies at birth. They can then monitor the babies with high Mercury levels and see if they have any problems later on.

    There are theories that Autism is caused from an underlying health issue. Certain diseases make a child more likely to develop Autism. Some of these diseases include Fragile X syndrome, and congenital Rubella. Others believe Autism is caused by a metabolic imbalance. So, everything is in the air now in the meantime lets take care of our children and help them to reach a fulfiled life.

  36. a majority? Really? I’d love to see the statistical data behind that claim. Heartfelt pleas to save the children do nothing to actually save said children, and actually do active harm by forcing researcher to spend time and resources responding to the mercury quackery, rather than strategically conducting meaningful research.

    I’ll say this again, in case it helps: CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION

    The rise in incidence of autism is positively correlated with a mind-boggling array of irrelevant factors. Sure, vaccinations
    are included in this, as well as refined sugar, plastics, petroleum fuels, jet travel, and men walking on the moon.

    For the sake of our children, we must NEVER walk on the moon again!

  37. This is like frackin’ whack-a-mole. Hasn’t anyone bothered to get themselves an education since December?

    Here, Martha, let me give you a hand.

    Institute of Medicine of the National Academies

    The committee concludes that the body of epidemiological evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between the MMR vaccine and autism. The committee also concludes that the body of epidemiological evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism. The committee further finds that potential biological mechanisms for vaccine-induced autism that have been generated to date are theoretical only.

    New England Journal of Medicine

    Our study does not support a causal association between early exposure to mercury from thimerosal-containing vaccines and immune globulins and deficits in neuropsychological functioning at the age of 7 to 10 years.

    Archives of General Psychiatry

    The DDS data do not show any recent decrease in autism in California despite the exclusion of more than trace levels of thimerosal from nearly all childhood vaccines. The DDS data do not support the hypothesis that exposure to thimerosal during childhood is a primary cause of autism.

    Journal of the American Acadamy of Pediatrics

    Studies do not demonstrate a link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and ASD, and the pharmacokinetics of ethylmercury make such an association less likely. Epidemiologic studies that support a link demonstrated significant design flaws that invalidate their conclusions. Evidence does not support a change in the standard of practice with regard to administration of thimerosal-containing vaccines in areas of the world where they are used.

    McGill University Health Centre

    “There is no relationship between the level of exposure to MMR vaccines and thimerosal–containing vaccines and rates of autism,” says Dr. Eric Fombonne, Director of Pediatric Psychiatry at The Montreal Children’s Hospital of the MUHC and lead investigator of the new study. Thimerosal was used to prevent bacterial and fungal contamination in the manufacture of various vaccines until its elimination from vaccine formulas in 1996 in Quebec. “According to our data, the incidence of autism was higher in children who were vaccinated after thimerosal was eliminated from vaccines,” says Dr. Fombonne.

    Journal of the American Acadamy of Pediatrics

    The prevalence of pervasive developmental disorder in Montreal was high, increasing in recent birth cohorts as found in most countries. Factors accounting for the increase include a broadening of diagnostic concepts and criteria, increased awareness and, therefore, better identification of children with pervasive developmental disorders in communities and epidemiologic surveys, and improved access to services. The findings ruled out an association between pervasive developmental disorder and either high levels of ethylmercury exposure comparable with those experienced in the United States in the 1990s or 1- or 2-dose measles-mumps-rubella vaccinations.

    Now, Martha. And Lora. And Jenny. Do yourselves a favour. Read the linked articles. They are science. They use big words, so have a dictionary handy. Read and try (try!) to comprehend how this world works. I offer this challenge to you: if you don’t understand or agree with anything (anything!) written in any of these journals, then post it here, and I will respond.

    I will not respond to wing-nut, fruit-cake, idiot-mongering, and essentially useless arguments or “theories”. I will respond to science, though. But honestly, I doubt very much that you’ve even read this far and will take up the challenge anyways.

  38. Teddy, did you watch the origin of aids since december?

    Remember how the cigarette companies stood the ground because the link between cancer and smoking took years to prove. They had many ‘medical men’ on their side.
    How did they get away with it? Because each human body is unique and what affects one may not affect another.
    Reasons for this would be level of hormones, other drugs, antibodies, other illness virises, genetic history, batch of vaccines, etc.
    I want the vaccine companies to step up to the plate and let independant universities study their test data.
    They would set up a data base with dates, ingredients, if the child was sick, if the child had medication before, after, etc., sick days as they are growing up, trips to doctor, all this info should be available.
    Let’s get the the bottom of this issue.
    After watching the Origin of Aids, I have no faith in vaccines nor many medical men. I would like my faith back.


    As for the cholesterol deficiency, another university can do that one.
    I suspect thimersol had adverse affects on some children. Man made ingredients tend to be new to nature and our cells.

  39. Lora, everyone knows that lung cancer isn’t caused by smoking cigarettes. It’s caused by thimerosal.

    Citing a TV show isn’t exactly how scientific research is done. I see lots of scary stuff on the TeeVee, and strangely it’s all skewed and hyperbolized in order to sell advertising.

    There’s also no way the Big Evil Drug Companies could stop a truly independent study. If you’re that untrusting of the pharmaco research, and that’s a valid position to take, then back truly independent scientific research rather than pushing the pharmacos to release their data.

    I’m sorry, but this line of discussion has become extremely tiring. We could talk in circles like this for centuries, and make about as much progress. You appear to be comfortable getting your information from aidsorigins.com and whatever is broadcast on TV. I prefer to let the scientific process run its course. The two strategies aren’t exactly compatible.

  40. I made no reference to thimerosal causing lung cancer.

    aidsorigins.com is a group of men who want the truth and have no vested interest in the outcome.
    Sometimes medical men have a vested interest in ignoring some things.
    When your paycheck depends on the outcome, it is not reliable to me.

    Here is the list of vaccines we give to here in Canada
    2 months: four injections
    -diptheria, pertussis, tetanus, polio, haemophilus Influenza
    -hep b
    -pneumococcal conjugate
    -memingococcal c conjugate(meningitis)
    4 months: three injections
    -diptheria, pertussis, tetanus, polio, haemophilus Influenza
    -hep b
    -pneumococcal conjugate
    6 months: two injections
    -diptheria, pertussis, tetanus, polio, haemophilus Influenza
    -hep b
    12 months: 4 injections
    – measles, mumps, rubella
    -varicella (chickenpox)
    – memingoccoccal c conjugate
    – pheumococcal conjugate
    18 months: 2 injections
    – diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, polio, haemophilus influenza type b
    – measles, mumps, rubella
    kindergarten: 1 or 2 injections
    – diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, polio
    – maybe varicella (if not done)
    and it goes on.

    A lot of pricks for little babies and a lot of ingredients flowing through their veins.
    I am not sure if babies get them if they are sick but they do later, in grade six, because I witnessed it, but could do nothing to stop it.
    How many babies have other man made medication in them or are given it right after to help with the side effects?
    Any study done on that?
    Has anyone looked at autism vs vaccines vs baby formula fed babies?
    Or autism vs vaccines vs heavy metal from other sources like lead in toys?
    I will look at your sources and report back.
    Watch the origin of aids. It is a 90 minute documentary of epic importance to mankind.
    Read The River by Ed Hooper and you will be amazed at his research.


  41. I am shocked at the degree of ageism shown. We all have “microbes” of various sorts “flowing through our veins” but you insist that it is only dangerous to babies. Do you feel “microbes” are safe in adults, or rather that we should only be concerned with babies? Do we right off 90% of the population for having the bad fortune of surviving past the age of 6?

  42. I looked up ageism and can’t see how it relates to the vaccines kids get before 2.
    They get 15 shots containing 35 diseases.
    That doesn’t include additives.
    You or I didn’t.
    It’s new.

  43. This has got to be the longest thread of comments you’ve ever generated, D’Arcy. While I think this post was intriguing, I think you’ve written other interesting stuff as well. I hope that all other commenters are spending equal effort looking at and commenting on your writing on photography, content management and all the other things that you write about.

    Lora, Teddy et al – D’Arcy is a really good writer, and covers a wide range of topics. It’s time to move on. Read some of his other posts and share your feedback on those. We might even find some common ground.

  44. Thanks for the invite gentlemen.
    If you are done here, I will move on.
    I will leave you with another poem. Just to be cute!
    It was inspired by a friend of me who’s child just about died from a vaccine 13 years ago.
    Her doctor told her it was too dangerous to vaccinate the child again, so she has had to fight the MIRK man ever since.
    Take care.

    Who’s Afraid of the Mighty *MIRK Man?
    Inspired by mothers and grandmothers who cried over vaccines.

    Who’s afraid of the Mighty MIRK Man. I am. Please listen.
    Some sell vaccines to protect our kids. See their syringes glisten,
    With diseases in formaldehyde and in fetal serum from cows.
    Have our elite and ruling classes forgotten all their vows?
    They are to serve and protect the people using democratic rules.
    Why line up our children? Can governments be fools?
    Why should some mothers have to hide their lovely kids.
    Many know the risks but tightly close their lids.
    I see AIDS victims might have vaccines to blame.
    Polio in chimpanzee parts and Africans for game.
    Why should tax takers lie and sponsor one sided spin?
    For plunder hidden as profit, must surely be a sin.
    If you’re still afraid to stand up to a Mighty Mirk Man,
    Don’t be. Refuse. Your right under a democratic plan.

    *MIRK = Marketing Irresponsible Random Knowledge

    Love Lora Bruncke

  45. The vaccines are a trigger to many of the immune system of these children. They weaken the immune system and allow viruses to set up shop in the brains of these children.

    My daughter Amaya also has “Autism” and sensory issues. My wife and I caught it early and Amaya has come a long way in less than a year’s time. The one thing that we learned, that most of the medical field never mentions, is that most of these children are normal and just have viral and/or fungal issues going on in their brains. These can be treated and your child can live a normal life again. I encourage you to read some of the material on a new website I put together (still in the works): http://www.not-autism.org

    I think this information could be very helpful for you. As parents we have to rise up above the current medical system and do what is right for our children as the current system is dismissing our precious children.

    Justin Lofton

  46. Justin, I checked out the Not Autism website, but all I could find was a bunch of unsubstantiated personal opinions and speculations. Please provide references to the research showing the link between autism and fungal and/or viral infections. It should be pretty easy to show such a link – a series of blood tests and possibly MRI scans would easily show up any such infections.

    But… if a link between autism and a fungal or viral infection was found, the only reasonable course of action would be the development and distribution of a vaccine against such an infection. I’m not sure, but I’d be surprised if the eminent Drs. McCarthy and Carrey would be very supportive of forcing yet another vaccine on our children…

  47. Hey D,

    Thanks for the great feedback! Agreed. It’s all in the blood work. Usually HHV6, HHV7, etc and CMV are the culprits. That was the case with my daughter and many of these children. Again, I have a lot more information that will substantiate this. As I said, the site is still in the works. The blood work of the child along with the medical records will usually tell the story of what triggered the “autistic” state. I will try and get as much information up as soon as possible.


  48. Scientifically, “cause” is an absolute term. Cause = Always. Where there is no cause, there is predisposition, and influence. If vaccines “caused” autism, then all recipients of vaccines would be autistic and this isn’t so. As such, it is likely that vaccines have the potential to trigger autism in individuals with certain genetic predispositions such as poor heavy metal metabolism.

    But who really knows what is going on, and what people namely scientist know about this stuff. The fact is it is getting worse, which is to bad for us and our children.

    Great post by the way !


  49. Just so you know.
    I have talked to a women who got polio at about age 14 in the 50’s after getting a vaccine as a child.
    She got very sick but did not have any permanent damage to her limbs.
    A friend of hers had permanent damage; her tendons contracted.
    Sounds like a something was not right.
    Some got polio after vaccinations!
    Did some get AIDS?

  50. Sorry, she may have got it in the early 60’s. I am not exactly sure of her age.
    We should have Autism and AIDs nailed down by now.
    What is our problem?

  51. Lora, you have got to be fucking kidding me. Are you really that stupid? getting AIDS from a polio vaccine? It’s not random like that. You don’t just “get” some random but very bad and scary disease because you get vaccinated for a specific but also scary disease.

    I honestly don’t know enough about the polio vaccine, but I’d hazard a guess that it included some form of the poliovirus – if it’s a live vaccine, of course there’s a chance of transmission. But even at that, the chance of transmission is less than the risk of getting the disease without the vaccine. Dropping the global incidence of polio from 330,000 to 1,000 per year? Worth a slight risk. Ask the 329,000 people EVERY YEAR who were spared of being infected with polio.

    (just did a VERY quick perusal of wikipedia, turns out Salk’s original vaccine used inactivated virulent poliovirus. I suppose there might be a slight risk that some of the virus survived exposure to formalin – omg! formalin! in a vaccine! this explains the autism epidemic!)

    And I agree. We should have TOTALLY nailed AIDS and autism by now. I mean, come ON! Why hasn’t someone invented a pill to cure those yet? Because medicine is exactly that simple. Something wrong? There’s an easy fix. Someone just has to find the right pill. Or they need to WANT to find the right pill.

  52. Well said, Lora. Of course – let’s just issue a blanket ban on all medication while we’re at it. That will stop all of the evil pharmaceutical companies in their tracks.

    Of course, we’ll all die of nasty diseases pretty quickly, but it will TOTALLY be worth it.

  53. Awesome post!

    I was born a few years before the HIB vaccination, and at <1 yo contracted HIB meningitis. Of those that survive, they have the possibility of deafness, blindness, mental retardation, and infertility (among other things). The survivors also have a 40% probability of developing a PDD, including autism. I was lucky… So far that I know, my only complication is Asperger’s Syndrome. That being said, I wouldn’t necessarily count myself too lucky. While it is manageable and possible to be considered highly functional by your society’s standards, it isn’t easy, by any means…

    If I am ever capable of sustaining a “normal” relationship by which I might actually have the opportunity to have children (and am capable), I will more than likely have them vaccinated. Food for thought for those advocating otherwise…

  54. Nikki, as the father of a child diagnosed with autism (PDD-NOS) I get how hard it must be for you. Actually, strike that. I have no idea. I know a bit about how hard it is for my son (who is nearly 6 now), but can’t imagine what it must be like struggling through school with PDD.

    I hope you’re able to find a normal relationship, and know that someone is out there who will love you for who you are, and be able to see through the labels.

  55. I can’t help myself.
    Men must understand evolution.

    The Source of the River

    Inspired by The River by Mr. Edward Hooper
    Many years of righteous research and wondrous words!

    The river of tears from Africa, must be followed to its source.
    Medical knowledge will be gained. Then we can use full force,
    To fight AIDS, which started in the Congo. We know man is ambitious.
    Polio had struck his kids, his hero. Here drink the monkey. It is delicious.
    Kids get to test vaccinations. Can such sadness be resolved?
    How could man foresee it! A new killer has evolved!
    The source of the river has got to be explored. It is academic!
    Vaccines in animal parts may have started an avoidable pandemic.
    Ed Hooper took up the quest for truth. After careful thought, I agree.
    If we do not believe that truth is worth striving for, we will cease to be.

    Love Lora Bruncke

    Becoming Compassionate

    Inspired by Born Cannibal
    by James Miles
    Read it if you dare!

    Evolutionary ideas are hard to take, even though evidence is hard to fake.
    Many say, “No! For Heaven’s sake! It can’t be true!” Will we soon awake?
    Survival of the fittest was natures way, to ensure our immune system saved the day.
    It took billions of years or so they say! Darwin’s ideas! Some are surely ok.
    He had many visions that were oh so new. Theories that made others sputter and stew.
    The good news is if it’s true, we are getting better, both me and you.
    Man’s bad nature can be explained. Relatives to chimpanzees entertained.
    An Adam and Eve story was ingrained. A clear version of origin can be refrained.
    From one cell, to two, to four then to more. We started to multiply, score upon score.
    What god to follow? Who to adore? Or should I say, What? Are some bad to the core!
    Many are looking for a religious savior. Should we not examine man’s behavior?
    Species come in many a flavour. Why race at all? Why not just savor?
    Start with the truth because lies are bad. Add our best science. Not so sad!
    A more comprehensive story. Don’t get mad. Once we see it, we will all be glad!
    Culture determines what we see and do. So do our genes. Please think it through.
    Becoming compassionate will follow, too, if the evolution of man is rendered true.

    Love Lora Bruncke

  56. Lora, a quick google for your name shows that you’re spewing this terrible poetry all over the ‘net. Please set up your own blog or something, rather than dumping your garbage here. Thanks.

  57. Gee… um, wow!

    Do you have a license to mangle all of those (otherwise) perfectly good words?

    (Someone should have told you not to be a poet when you grow up. back in grade 3, I fear.)

  58. Ok.
    But some people actually kind of like them,as you must have seen if you googled me!!
    I try and get hold of the person I write them for and many have thanked me, including Mr. Hooper over in England!
    I won’t take your criticism to heart!!
    No more poetry for you, though!
    Take care.

  59. We must ban all high-fructose beverages! coke causes autism!


    MONDAY, Jan. 26 (HealthDay News) — Almost half of tested samples of commercial high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) contained mercury, which was also found in nearly a third of 55 popular brand-name food and beverage products where HFCS is the first- or second-highest labeled ingredient, according to two new U.S. studies.

    HFCS has replaced sugar as the sweetener in many beverages and foods such as breads, cereals, breakfast bars, lunch meats, yogurts, soups and condiments. On average, Americans consume about 12 teaspoons per day of HFCS, but teens and other high consumers can take in 80 percent more HFCS than average.

    “Mercury is toxic in all its forms. Given how much high-fructose corn syrup is consumed by children, it could be a significant additional source of mercury never before considered. We are calling for immediate changes by industry and the [U.S. Food and Drug Administration] to help stop this avoidable mercury contamination of the food supply,” the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy’s Dr. David Wallinga, a co-author of both studies, said in a prepared statement.

  60. Yes I know about the HCFS Holocaust. It is causing diabetes. I call every number I see that may understand that modified corn starch and glucose/fructose are killers. They are hidden in many foods. Just look at the ingredients.
    As for HFCS and autism, it could be linked. I just read about a dire situation in Panama. Two man made drugs together caused death. One of them was a cough syrup. Way to go, medical men!!
    Don’t forget, when kids get vaccinated, any over the counter drugs in their system are ignored and any illness they may have are not documented.

    Medical men are not scientists but businessmen.
    Peace and love to you all who want the truth.

  61. ow, wow. lora. you keep on rambling about things you’ve read, without citing sources. I’ve read a lot of things that I don’t base my judgement on.

    and I have to say that I am deeply, deeply offended at your trivialization of the holocaust by using that word to describe the use of high fructose corn syrup in fast foods. The holocaust was the mass slaughter of over 6 million innocent human beings. HFCS is a food additive that we willingly ingest because it makes the food taste less bad.

    If you really equate HFCS with the holocaust, you need to reexamine your priorities and beliefs. Get help.

  62. I am not equating it with The Holocaust. The word means widespread destruction, which is true of HFCS. When I was researching corn I found it referred to that way.
    Corn was evolved in North America. It is high in sugars. When you modify corn starch you make it really sweet.
    You will be amazed at where you will find it. Dairy products, meats, sauces, candy, drinks, canned goods…. It is cheap for big corn growing countries like Canada.
    Do you know how the mercury gets into the HFCS?
    Do we know if formula fed babies have a higher rate of autism? HFCS is probably in formula, too.
    Very sad story we have woven for love of money.
    Happy St. Patrick’s Day!

  63. Lora, again, CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION. I don’t know if there is a significant correlation between formula-fed children and incidence of autism – I haven’t seen any data on that. But even if there were, that doesn’t mean that formula-feeding causes autism. There could be some other factor – perhaps the plastics in the bottles? the chemicals in the synthetic nipples? some other coincident factor? (socioeconomic, etc…).

    Please. Stop. Spewing. Uninformed. Ignorance. On. My. Blog.

    Get your own. Really. It’s easy. Go to http://wordpress.com and sign up. It’s free. It’ll take maybe 30 seconds. Then you can spew all of your idle minded bs to your heart’s content without stuffing the database of my blog with your nonsense.

    I’ve tried being polite. I’ve tried being less polite. It’s time to just stop the nonsense. You’re free to believe whatever you want, and you’re free to say whatever you want, but I don’t have to welcome you to do it here on my blog.

  64. D’Arcy… how about deleting all of her comments. Including her awful poetry, which I suspect is the true travesty here. With any luck, Lora’s ignorance dies with her. With any more luck, we don’t have to pay for the damage caused by her ilk.

    Lora, the 12th century called… the village is looking for their idiot. There’s a nice luddite!

  65. nope. the comments are valid, so they stay. they’re mindless vapid drivel, but deleting them would be wrong. if nothing else, they might serve as an educational tool sometime – if I ever need to show why science literacy is important.

  66. Sorry I offended you Teddy but I really want the truth. It can be hidden so easily if parents are not vigilant.
    Thanks for carrying me dnorman. I only came back because of your HFCS/mercury post which interests me greatly. Thanks for that.

    Google HFCS and HFCS Holocaust.
    Read The River by Ed Hoover. He spent 17 years of his life researching AIDS! It is a wonderful story and I believe it to be the truth.
    Google Origin of Aids and find a video made by Mr. Hoover.
    These are some of my sources.
    Now Gone for Good!

  67. Sorry I have to do one more post because I got Ed’s name mixed up with another famous Ed.
    My Ed is Ed HOOPER not Hoover.

  68. FYI: I saw Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey on Larry King Live last night. They were talking about their new book on autism. Jenny is doing all she can to get to the bottom of the cause and the cure for her son and Jim is by her side. They are getting cooperation from at least two medical men, who were also on the program.

    Peace for Passover and Easter.

  69. Lora, you have got to be fucking kidding me. Playboy McCarthy is a fucking stripper. She’s not a doctor. Just because she’s hot and good for TV ratings, doesn’t make her opinion worth the shit it’s written in. McCarthy is a vapid moron, actively promoting ignorance and inciting people to give up on proven medical science. She should be banned from speaking in public. She’s free to continue taking her clothes off, though. She is quite good at that. But speaking intelligently, about anything more meaningful than “likes long walks on the beach” – no. She needs to go away, now. And shame on Larry King and CNN for promoting this dangerous bullshit. But you know they only put her on because she’s hot, and people will tune in to watch the ads while they ogle her and her moron husband.

    Please. PLEASE. Please get your head out of McCarthy’s ass. She is dangerous. She is actively harming children. She needs to be stopped. And your promoting her imbicilic braindead rantings is only contributing to the damage.

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